No Chemical, nuclear or biological weapons have been found in Iraq since the unjustifyable invasion of US troops in 2003.
There's no democracy but anarchy.
All that "preemptive strike" did was kill people and bring misery to the survivors.
Oh, and, of couse, total neglect of human rights in the concentration camps in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.
Those warmongers who posted here before must really be proud to be American!
We should never forget the horror of weapons of mass descrtuction. Millions of lives lost at once, long term damage to land and health. It's all just horrible.
That's why the world has to initiate a preemptive strike against Iraq. As soon as possible.
...huh.. wha-Korea?
Maby the UN should inspect the US, for weapons of mass destruction. That is where the real danger is.
I am positive, that US has the bigger collection of dangerous "toys"
Aside from being a red herring your comment has ignores the fact that the US is a signatory on the chemical weapons treaty and is in fact subject to inspections by other treaty members. This of course in addition to SALT and other arms reduction and nuclear non-proliferation treaties.
If you wish I would be more then happy to give you a tour of Rocky Flats (nuclear weapons facility) and Rocky Mountain Arsenal (chemical weapons storage facility). Rocky Flats has been "decommisioned" for about 10 years and Rocky Mountain Arsenal is a wildlife preserve.
thought that the UN inspectors would have found SOMETHING, given their rather impressive record of turning up everything from 1991-1998. Powells assertion that Saddam has chemical weapons plants has also fallen through, (something which has had concerningly little reportage)
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,892112,00.html
So, Saddams WMD. Are we going to give him some then? Would be a great excuse to invade. :)
Or are we talking about his Wells of Major Dimensions?
Santa
UNMOVIC and IAEA are so good at finding weapons. That's why it wasn't until four years after the end of Gulf War and with the help of defector Hussein Kamel, Saddam's _son_in_law_, that they found large caches of biological weapons.
Are you expecting them to pull a tarp and a huge missle will be exposed with "WMD" plastered on the side?
I'm not for any war that has questionable objectives but thinking that Iraq is disarmed is just plain stupid.
We need a war !! our economy is suffering right now..!! so it doesnt matter if its North Korea or Iraq we need a war.. The best target we have right now is Iraq because it has tons of Oil we can use to our advantage.. At the same time if we stablish presence there we can further guard our interests !.. So who you are does not matter to us.. As long as you have something that we can take advantage of and we can pin something on you... Open wide !!.
Remember.. we control the media.. we can say anything about you even if its a bunch of lies backed by superficial evidence and everyone (at least in our mighty US) will believe.
You obviously live a country that sounds terrible. I suggest setting up a paypal account to collect founds to
go over to Iraq to be a human shield. Leave now before this oppressive government takes the right away from
you. Just keep in mind, the line is long to get into America, and very short to get out. We need no barbed wire fences
or walls to keep people here. As far as our economy goes, it is much better than these socialist pacifist Europeans
countries are.
On the Japan issue, remember Dec 7, 1941? They bomb our asses to hell while we were playing the pacifist. Yes, we
tried pacifism and isolationism. During the war, we found out just how hard they fought. When we took the
Island of Okinawa in June 1945, they fought to the last man. The civilians jumped off cliffs by the hundreds. As we
prepared to take the mainland of Japan and finish this conflict (they started). Our experts calculated that they
would lose well over a million people and we would loose over a hundred thousand. A sad fact of history is, less died
as the result of the two atom bombs we dropped than would have if the conventional war continued to its conclusion. America
set up a democratic government and pumped money into the reconstruction of their country. Prior to this, Japan worship their
Emperor as a god and had never tried self rule. People thought that it could not be done. Well, I am happy to report that Japan
is doing pretty damn good these days. I have no animosity against them today. In fact, I respect their courage and sense of duty.
On Iraq, Saddam poses a threat to the US. This threat will be removed. In the process, the Iraq people will be better off.
In all sincerity, please leave this country. America deserves better.
Uhuh....... As has been said in a post above, Japan was ready to surrender. Indeed, if I remember my history class correctly, the bomb was not dropped to bring about their surrender, it was dropped to bring about their surrender *sooner*. Basically, the US and Russia had an agreement that after a set deadline (which I cannot recall -- though I remember it was to be not long after the bombs were dropped) Russia would have free reign to attack Japan. Thus, the US wanted Japan to surrender to them before that deadline to prevent Russia from taking Japan. Simply put, they did not want another Soviet state to bother them.
I'm not going to debate whether or not this was the "right thing to do", but if people are going to discuss the incident I would rather they do it with their facts straight. Other versions of this decision were often given for the simple reason that so many people were close to the event (in time). Basically, anyone who knows aobut history will tell you that the "full story" concerning many events is not available until 75-100 years later, after anyone involved is dead.
Anyway, as for Iraq... saying you can swoop in and "save" them with democracy is somewhat naive. Historically, democracy has best been acheived by change from within a country, not without (the only real exceptions to this I can think of are the result of the world wars, which were obviously special circumstances). And if we're going to look at examples, lets use something *recent* instead of something that happened over 50 years ago. In Afghanistan, the obvious example, change has lasted only as long as US media attention has been on the country. No more media, no more motivation for the US government, the country reverts. But Iraq will be different. Of course it will.
It's wallpaper isn't it. This is a site for "eyecandy for your kde-desktop". I think it's excellent. Not everybody likes the anodine meaningless postmodernism that most of the wallpapers here have in abundance.
Get over it.
I dont think kde-look is as 100%pure kde-related as some people here might want it to be. There's tons of wallpapers, that don't have the big K on them here. And most of them are realy good. Some aren't, i think, but that's just my opinion.
Besides, I wonder why it's always people that have contributed NOTHING to KDE-look who have to flame those, who contribute. If you don't like it, don't take it, but don't flame those, who work for kde-look.
And just to give the flame back: Whitewolf, what does
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3995
have to do with KDE??
Think about it! It doesn't matter if it has a K on it or not, as long as it looks good. And that lies just in everybodys own opinion.
sorry, i have submitted content, just pulled it recently to do some major changes, didn't like how my splashes worked...you might remember some Gentoo splashes posted a few days back. They'll be back up again soon, so yes, i have content, just not up here right now. Oh, and check the icon set for gentoo at icons.belkert.com....
I come to kde-look for KDE-related material. My thoughts on this politcal statement aside, what the *fuck* does this have to do with KDE?
That's right, nothing. Other than the fact that KDE has the ability to display these bits as wallpaper.
What does this have to do with KDE??? And, slapping a goddamn "K" on it after this comment does not make it relevant to KDE. Post your emotions on another site. This site is for KDE content!
The first atomic bomb used in a military operation was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, Japan at 8:16:02 a m., Hiroshima time. The bomb, called "Little Boy," exploded 1,900 feet above the courtyard of Shima Hospital, with a force equivalent to 12,500 tons of TNT. By the end of 1945, 140,00 people had died as a direct result of the bombing. Within the following five years, another 60,000 would die of bomb-related causes.
The bomb killed men, women, and children indiscriminately. It killed both military personnel and civilians. Although the city produced military items and housed soldiers, it was not selected as a "purely military target" as President Truman had promised. There were six civilians in Hiroshima to every soldier.
The second bomb, called "Fat Man," exploded over Nagasaki, Japan, at 11:02 a.m. on August 9, 1945. It exploded at 1,650 feet with a force of 22,000 tons of TNT. 70,000 people lost their lives in Nagasaki by the end of 1945 due to the bombing. A total of 140,00 died within the next five years.
Both bombings violated a long-standing principle of warfare, that civilians are not to be harmed by military action. That principle and the millions of civilians killed in 20th century wars are the greatest casualties of modern warfare. We cannot rescue the civilians lost in the first nuclear war.
The Japanese ruthlessly slaughtered korean and chinese civilians in their occupation of the korean penninsula and manchuria. Two million people were slaughtered at the hands of the japanese fighting in the name of there emperor. The germans executed 6 million jews during the hollocaust. The death of 140,000 stopped the killing. You need to look a little closer at your facts.
WWII ended in Europe on May, 8th 1945. The nuclear attack doesn't stop the killing of jews and it doesn't end the main part of the war.
It was plain senseless - except the US wanted desperatly see the medical effects of a nuclear attack on humans.
What it stopped was the killing by the japanese in korea and china. It shortened the war in asia considerably and allowed the US to focus on Europe. The US didn't even know for sure if the bomb would even work. None had ever been detonated. There was no way of knowing really what would happen. There was even some concern that a nuclear reaction might cause a chain reaction with the hydrogen in water vapor that would exterminate all life on earth. It was only after the odds of that happening were calculated at a billion to one did they give the go ahead to try it. I'm not for nuclear weapons, but imagine that you had never seen a stick of TNT only a small firecracker. What are the odds of someone lighting the stick off TNT?
This is the most complete bullshit I have ever heard of. You obviously don't have ANY history education.
"The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... In being the first to use it [the atomic bomb], we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
April 1945: General Curtis le May (US Air Force) expressed a belief that the war could be ended by September or October without an invasion.
May 12: William Donovan, Director of the Office of Strategic Studies, reported to President Truman that Shuichi Kate, Japan's Minister to Switzerland, wished to "help arrange for a cessation of hostilities."
Mid-June: "A surrender of Japan can be arranged with terms that can be accepted by Japan and that will make fully satisfactory provision for America's defense against future trans-Pacific aggression." Admiral W.D. Leahy, President's Chief of Staff.
July 16: The US exploded a nuclear bomb secrety in the New Mexico desert to prove to themselves that it would work.
July 18: Stalin told Truman that he had had a telegram from the Japanese Emperor himself asking for peace. Code-breakers were already aware of this. The Soviet Union was still officially neutral at that time.
August 10: The Japanese publicly broadcast an offer of surrender. Truman ordered conventional military operations to continue full force.
August 14: The Japanese surrender was accepted.
"It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." (UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill.)
"Certainly prior to 31 December 1945... Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." (US Strategic Bombing Survey, 1946.)
Ratings & Comments
23 Comments
No Chemical, nuclear or biological weapons have been found in Iraq since the unjustifyable invasion of US troops in 2003. There's no democracy but anarchy. All that "preemptive strike" did was kill people and bring misery to the survivors. Oh, and, of couse, total neglect of human rights in the concentration camps in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay. Those warmongers who posted here before must really be proud to be American!
We should never forget the horror of weapons of mass descrtuction. Millions of lives lost at once, long term damage to land and health. It's all just horrible. That's why the world has to initiate a preemptive strike against Iraq. As soon as possible. ...huh.. wha-Korea?
Maby the UN should inspect the US, for weapons of mass destruction. That is where the real danger is. I am positive, that US has the bigger collection of dangerous "toys"
You were right! http://www.theonion.com/onion3904/north_dakota.html
Aside from being a red herring your comment has ignores the fact that the US is a signatory on the chemical weapons treaty and is in fact subject to inspections by other treaty members. This of course in addition to SALT and other arms reduction and nuclear non-proliferation treaties. If you wish I would be more then happy to give you a tour of Rocky Flats (nuclear weapons facility) and Rocky Mountain Arsenal (chemical weapons storage facility). Rocky Flats has been "decommisioned" for about 10 years and Rocky Mountain Arsenal is a wildlife preserve.
thought that the UN inspectors would have found SOMETHING, given their rather impressive record of turning up everything from 1991-1998. Powells assertion that Saddam has chemical weapons plants has also fallen through, (something which has had concerningly little reportage) http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,892112,00.html So, Saddams WMD. Are we going to give him some then? Would be a great excuse to invade. :) Or are we talking about his Wells of Major Dimensions? Santa
UNMOVIC and IAEA are so good at finding weapons. That's why it wasn't until four years after the end of Gulf War and with the help of defector Hussein Kamel, Saddam's _son_in_law_, that they found large caches of biological weapons. Are you expecting them to pull a tarp and a huge missle will be exposed with "WMD" plastered on the side? I'm not for any war that has questionable objectives but thinking that Iraq is disarmed is just plain stupid.
We need a war !! our economy is suffering right now..!! so it doesnt matter if its North Korea or Iraq we need a war.. The best target we have right now is Iraq because it has tons of Oil we can use to our advantage.. At the same time if we stablish presence there we can further guard our interests !.. So who you are does not matter to us.. As long as you have something that we can take advantage of and we can pin something on you... Open wide !!. Remember.. we control the media.. we can say anything about you even if its a bunch of lies backed by superficial evidence and everyone (at least in our mighty US) will believe.
I would like to shake your hand. Have you ever considered a career in politics?
You obviously live a country that sounds terrible. I suggest setting up a paypal account to collect founds to go over to Iraq to be a human shield. Leave now before this oppressive government takes the right away from you. Just keep in mind, the line is long to get into America, and very short to get out. We need no barbed wire fences or walls to keep people here. As far as our economy goes, it is much better than these socialist pacifist Europeans countries are. On the Japan issue, remember Dec 7, 1941? They bomb our asses to hell while we were playing the pacifist. Yes, we tried pacifism and isolationism. During the war, we found out just how hard they fought. When we took the Island of Okinawa in June 1945, they fought to the last man. The civilians jumped off cliffs by the hundreds. As we prepared to take the mainland of Japan and finish this conflict (they started). Our experts calculated that they would lose well over a million people and we would loose over a hundred thousand. A sad fact of history is, less died as the result of the two atom bombs we dropped than would have if the conventional war continued to its conclusion. America set up a democratic government and pumped money into the reconstruction of their country. Prior to this, Japan worship their Emperor as a god and had never tried self rule. People thought that it could not be done. Well, I am happy to report that Japan is doing pretty damn good these days. I have no animosity against them today. In fact, I respect their courage and sense of duty. On Iraq, Saddam poses a threat to the US. This threat will be removed. In the process, the Iraq people will be better off. In all sincerity, please leave this country. America deserves better.
Uhuh....... As has been said in a post above, Japan was ready to surrender. Indeed, if I remember my history class correctly, the bomb was not dropped to bring about their surrender, it was dropped to bring about their surrender *sooner*. Basically, the US and Russia had an agreement that after a set deadline (which I cannot recall -- though I remember it was to be not long after the bombs were dropped) Russia would have free reign to attack Japan. Thus, the US wanted Japan to surrender to them before that deadline to prevent Russia from taking Japan. Simply put, they did not want another Soviet state to bother them.
I'm not going to debate whether or not this was the "right thing to do", but if people are going to discuss the incident I would rather they do it with their facts straight. Other versions of this decision were often given for the simple reason that so many people were close to the event (in time). Basically, anyone who knows aobut history will tell you that the "full story" concerning many events is not available until 75-100 years later, after anyone involved is dead.
Anyway, as for Iraq... saying you can swoop in and "save" them with democracy is somewhat naive. Historically, democracy has best been acheived by change from within a country, not without (the only real exceptions to this I can think of are the result of the world wars, which were obviously special circumstances). And if we're going to look at examples, lets use something *recent* instead of something that happened over 50 years ago. In Afghanistan, the obvious example, change has lasted only as long as US media attention has been on the country. No more media, no more motivation for the US government, the country reverts. But Iraq will be different. Of course it will.
It's wallpaper isn't it. This is a site for "eyecandy for your kde-desktop". I think it's excellent. Not everybody likes the anodine meaningless postmodernism that most of the wallpapers here have in abundance. Get over it.
I dont think kde-look is as 100%pure kde-related as some people here might want it to be. There's tons of wallpapers, that don't have the big K on them here. And most of them are realy good. Some aren't, i think, but that's just my opinion. Besides, I wonder why it's always people that have contributed NOTHING to KDE-look who have to flame those, who contribute. If you don't like it, don't take it, but don't flame those, who work for kde-look. And just to give the flame back: Whitewolf, what does http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3995 have to do with KDE?? Think about it! It doesn't matter if it has a K on it or not, as long as it looks good. And that lies just in everybodys own opinion.
sorry, i have submitted content, just pulled it recently to do some major changes, didn't like how my splashes worked...you might remember some Gentoo splashes posted a few days back. They'll be back up again soon, so yes, i have content, just not up here right now. Oh, and check the icon set for gentoo at icons.belkert.com....
they're soooo well done! realy.. very well copied.. gr8! (you started flamin. just handing it back to you..) do something original!
However, this is not the place for it and that isn't the prettiest wallpaper either =( It makes me sad, I want my desktp to cheer mee up.
I come to kde-look for KDE-related material. My thoughts on this politcal statement aside, what the *fuck* does this have to do with KDE? That's right, nothing. Other than the fact that KDE has the ability to display these bits as wallpaper.
What does this have to do with KDE??? And, slapping a goddamn "K" on it after this comment does not make it relevant to KDE. Post your emotions on another site. This site is for KDE content!
The first atomic bomb used in a military operation was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, Japan at 8:16:02 a m., Hiroshima time. The bomb, called "Little Boy," exploded 1,900 feet above the courtyard of Shima Hospital, with a force equivalent to 12,500 tons of TNT. By the end of 1945, 140,00 people had died as a direct result of the bombing. Within the following five years, another 60,000 would die of bomb-related causes. The bomb killed men, women, and children indiscriminately. It killed both military personnel and civilians. Although the city produced military items and housed soldiers, it was not selected as a "purely military target" as President Truman had promised. There were six civilians in Hiroshima to every soldier. The second bomb, called "Fat Man," exploded over Nagasaki, Japan, at 11:02 a.m. on August 9, 1945. It exploded at 1,650 feet with a force of 22,000 tons of TNT. 70,000 people lost their lives in Nagasaki by the end of 1945 due to the bombing. A total of 140,00 died within the next five years. Both bombings violated a long-standing principle of warfare, that civilians are not to be harmed by military action. That principle and the millions of civilians killed in 20th century wars are the greatest casualties of modern warfare. We cannot rescue the civilians lost in the first nuclear war.
The Japanese ruthlessly slaughtered korean and chinese civilians in their occupation of the korean penninsula and manchuria. Two million people were slaughtered at the hands of the japanese fighting in the name of there emperor. The germans executed 6 million jews during the hollocaust. The death of 140,000 stopped the killing. You need to look a little closer at your facts.
WWII ended in Europe on May, 8th 1945. The nuclear attack doesn't stop the killing of jews and it doesn't end the main part of the war. It was plain senseless - except the US wanted desperatly see the medical effects of a nuclear attack on humans.
What it stopped was the killing by the japanese in korea and china. It shortened the war in asia considerably and allowed the US to focus on Europe. The US didn't even know for sure if the bomb would even work. None had ever been detonated. There was no way of knowing really what would happen. There was even some concern that a nuclear reaction might cause a chain reaction with the hydrogen in water vapor that would exterminate all life on earth. It was only after the odds of that happening were calculated at a billion to one did they give the go ahead to try it. I'm not for nuclear weapons, but imagine that you had never seen a stick of TNT only a small firecracker. What are the odds of someone lighting the stick off TNT?
This is the most complete bullshit I have ever heard of. You obviously don't have ANY history education. "The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... In being the first to use it [the atomic bomb], we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages." April 1945: General Curtis le May (US Air Force) expressed a belief that the war could be ended by September or October without an invasion. May 12: William Donovan, Director of the Office of Strategic Studies, reported to President Truman that Shuichi Kate, Japan's Minister to Switzerland, wished to "help arrange for a cessation of hostilities." Mid-June: "A surrender of Japan can be arranged with terms that can be accepted by Japan and that will make fully satisfactory provision for America's defense against future trans-Pacific aggression." Admiral W.D. Leahy, President's Chief of Staff. July 16: The US exploded a nuclear bomb secrety in the New Mexico desert to prove to themselves that it would work. July 18: Stalin told Truman that he had had a telegram from the Japanese Emperor himself asking for peace. Code-breakers were already aware of this. The Soviet Union was still officially neutral at that time. August 10: The Japanese publicly broadcast an offer of surrender. Truman ordered conventional military operations to continue full force. August 14: The Japanese surrender was accepted. "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." (UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill.) "Certainly prior to 31 December 1945... Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." (US Strategic Bombing Survey, 1946.)