Description: This is a wallpaper that I found in he Internet. I could not found any credits, but I think that with this topic, ja, I will have no problem.
I've just modified the frase below the LINUX text and been working on higher resolutions from this one.
I see this same argument all the time...
the socialism Marx talked about has nothing
at all to do with what the soviet union and cuba twisted it into. that just replaced oppression with oppression. One could say that there has never been a real example of socialism or communism on this planet to date in witch to compare. Marx was about ending the economic domination witch has reared it's ugly head once more to oppress all but few well-offs. The freedom we talk so highly about in this country is not accessible to those who can't afford it.Take a look at our justice system for example. Got money, get lawyer/ No money go to jail. What originally inspired Marx was when he went to Manchester UK an saw 9yr old kids dying in coal mines and factories because there parents (good capitalists) couldn't afford to feed them most of the time. The robber barrons of that time have returned in full glory in the past decade. As in the past, there greed will stop at nothing until the have everything there piggish hands can stuff into there already full pockets.
And what most "so-called" Americans don't want to accept is that it is the very socialism the say they despise that has been built there highways, educated there children and them selves, privided healthcare to elderly people, delivered there mail, and other wise raised there wages to the point to where they have a chance to better them selves. Anyway thanx for the wallpaper.
JA! I have to say that I am a quite surprised about the repercutions of my upload. I can read very interesting comments, and Im glad, becausethis topic of discussion could be argued in here.
In order to response the acusations, I have to say that I have nothing to do with Stalin, in fact, I think that he and he's people had a very wrong interpretation of what socialsm is (and, in general, every east european "real socialism" experiences had).
Sadly, I think that many writers that condemned the comunism icon DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE IDEA of what they talking about, but they just playing the record that somebody put in their heads. ¿Does anyone in US read "The Capital" of Marx in highschool? He's arguments were magnifiscents and he did a great contribution to philosofic and economic theory (but he dint say a word about real socialism) and that is a fact, no mather what can anyone can say. So, dear US dudes, please read before you put acusations on anyone.
If I should have to make an apologyze, come to my mind disasters like the goverments of Slovakia or other easter ex russian dependent goverments did, encouraging opression and limiting civil rights without any social compensation. They were in general evil and they didnt understood a word of what Marx said. So, I can understand that that people be angry with me or be affected by this upload in someway.
Supporting some comment exposed previously, I think that Bush is the greatest fucker in this world, and I think that he is much more similar to Hitler than other powerful and questionable persons in the present or in the past.
Finally, (I have to go back to work) I must say that this upload was more in direction of an ironic "jocking spirit" upload than an direct ideological one. The revolution of what linux represents is a very interesting movement, but have nothing to do with socialism conceptually speaking.
It might be goodlooking in a screen of someone that had read Marx deeply and use a Linux system, why not? jajaja (remember: ironic joking spirit :P)
Nobody is pointing a gun on you and saying "you have to be socialist". Chill out men. ...and download if you like it.
Rho
ps. some jurks have to make a demmand to their educational systems. ja.
ps 2. lamentablemente mi inglés es peor de lo que me gustaría. Creo que el sistema educativo de mi país privilegió enseñarme sobre grandes movimientos intelectuales y sociales más que sobre el idioma del país dominante. Es una de las pocas cosas de las que puedo estar orgulloso, siendo de Argentina. JA.
JA! I have to say that I am a quite surprised about the repercutions of my upload. I can read very interesting comments, and Im glad, becausethis topic of discussion could be argued in here.
In order to response the acusations, I have to say that I have nothing to do with Stalin, in fact, I think that he and he's people had a very wrong interpretation of what socialsm is (and, in general, every east european "real socialism" experiences had).
Sadly, I think that many writers that condemned the comunism icon DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE IDEA of what they talking about, but they just playing the record that somebody put in their heads. ¿Does anyone in US read "The Capital" of Marx in highschool? He's arguments were magnifiscents and he did a great contribution to philosofic and economic theory (but he dint say a word about real socialism) and that is a fact, no mather what can anyone can say. So, dear US dudes, please read before you put acusations on anyone.
If I should have to make an apologyze, come to my mind disasters like the goverments of Slovakia or other easter ex russian dependent goverments did, encouraging opression and limiting civil rights without any social compensation. They were in general evil and they didnt understood a word of what Marx said. So, I can understand that that people be angry with me or be affected by this upload in someway.
Supporting some comment exposed previously, I think that Bush is the greatest fucker in this world, and I think that he is much more similar to Hitler than other powerful and questionable persons in the present or in the past.
Finally, (I have to go back to work) I must say that this upload was more in direction of an ironic "jocking spirit" upload than an direct ideological one. The revolution of what linux represents is a very interesting movement, but have nothing to do with socialism conceptually speaking.
It might be goodlooking in a screen of someone that had read Marx deeply and use a Linux system, why not? jajaja (remember: ironic joking spirit :P)
Nobody is pointing a gun on you and saying "you have to be socialist". Chill out men. ...and download if you like it.
Rho
ps. some jurks have to make a demmand to their educational systems. ja.
ps 2. lamentablemente mi inglés es peor de lo que me gustaría. Creo que el sistema educativo de mi país privilegió enseñarme sobre grandes movimientos intelectuales y sociales más que sobre el idioma del país dominante. Es una de las pocas cosas de las que puedo estar orgulloso, siendo de Argentina. JA.
If a nazi swastika would appear on this site, it would be banned. Then I think this should be banned too, it's just a nonsense and it's offensive for lots of people that have been oppressed and killed, and still are, by communist regimes.
Apparently not:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nazi+wallpaper+HD?content=109946
But I note with a certain amount of pride that the nazi wallpaper is being voted downward into oblivion just like this one is. I'm glad to see these symbols of oppressive totalitarian regimes treated with the contempt that they deserve.
As an aside, I think that censorship is the wrong approach. I think that the solution to speech that we don't like is more free speech. We can shout them down.
hey, what do you say about nation's history?
it's our past so there is no way to change it or make it undone.
just remember 40th years of your country's history and especially Mussolini. and would it be pleasant to you if everybody notice you about you?
так что Советский Союз не трожьте.
you don't get it. If somebody posted a screen with linux and a symbol of fascism I would be offended too. Linux has nothing to do with regimes of any kind.
I take that back. It looks like they did delete the nazi wallpaper.
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nazi+wallpaper+HD?content=109946
Nothing there now.
I don't mean to insult the Russian people. I like the Russians that I've met & I like the Russian literature that I've read.
I just think that totalitarian political systems like fascism or communism can bring out the worst in any people.
Also, I don't think that this wallpaper has much to do with history. The 'viva la revolucion' tagline & the hammer & sickle coupled with a linux logo seem to be looking toward the future rather than the past.
But hey, this site is supposed to be about artwork, not politics.
By the way, I like backround image you uploaded.
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/An+early+morning?content=76842
Nice photo. I've voted it up.
What a bullshit...
Communism is a political direction. Fascism is a crime. The fact that Stalin, Honnecker, Ceaucescu used communism as an alibi for saving their dictatorship is another thing. Communism for itself and as a political and democratical direction is nothing wrong. Nobody has banned US-flags (much worse: the confederations-flag)and a lot of Indians, Afro-Americans (communists in 50's & 60's, too) and other people without european-roots were choked or killed by that "good" people.
Communism goes against human nature in every single aspect, even theory. Communism is what it has been, because it couldn't have been different, because it's wrong. Just like fascism. Saying that Stalin and Lenin & Castro & Mao etc. were doing a different thing than communism, well, THIS is bullshit.
Unbelievable how bad your political education is. First: Nothing is as bad as facism. No communism, no capitalism, no mix between both. Second: There's still a difference between a dictatorship and Marx' democratic ideal of communism. In education (and in health care, too) you could learn a lot from Cuba.When I'm following your argumentation, I can say: Stone Mountain Parties, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Chile had showed how much better and humane capitalism is...
Sorry, but you don't know what you are saying. Castro persecuting gay people is just one thing. Democratic? What is democratic in forbidding internet access to all the population, and not letting anybody go out of the country? And Mao destroying the Tibet, and so on. Is more human than capitalism? Then think that me and you couldn't be talking like this if we were in China or Cuba or Cambodia or wherever communism is and was. It's just like fascism.
Once again you wrote no answer. And you really don't know what you are talking about. I could write 1000 times that there's a difference between dictatorships an political philosophy (a bigger part of my studies).
And the most funniest thing: China? Communism? Must be a joke, they are following a turbo-capitalism mixed with a dictatorship. Got nothing to do with communism. MArx' communism is for people - not for elite. Maybe the countries of your example call themselves communistic but if there are rich and poor people it isn't like that. Then it's just a dictatorship, a cheat. GDR called itself "democratic" (what wasn't true, just like china isn't communistic. It's a cheat): Is democracy bad, too, only because they called their country democratic?
Let's make a deal: You will read Marx' Capital or the communstic manifest and I will read a book of an anti-communist of your choice. Then we can discuss once again. And, please, don't make fascism same as any other thing. The nazis were singular bad. 6 Million jews, millions of german communists and socialdemocrats, gays, gypsies - they all died in the camps. 55 Million dead people - that isn't toppable and the worst thing ever exists.
I know what I'm talking about, maybe better than you do, and if you really want to know, I'm graduated in philosophy, and I know what Marx is talking about (shall I suggest you to read something by Max Stirner instead?). And I think that Marx should have been taking more care of what human nature is, because what he said goes totally against it (some other suggestions for reading: Nietzsche, Feyerabend), and lead to such abominations as USSR, China or Cuba, that actually ARE examples of what communism IS and what communism can NEVER be because of its lack of understanding of human nature. And please do not think that fascism does not have its philosophy (read Benedetto Croce), and that it was just a dictatorship, cause it was not. And how many people did communist regimes kill in history? 55 millions? Maybe more, consider Cambodia, Tibet, Stalin camps, Noth Korea and so on.
That said, consider also that I'm a left wing guy that just can't stand no more hearing left wing people saying how good communism is and saying the same things said 60 years ago by someone else and never thinking with their own minds about something new.
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I see this same argument all the time... the socialism Marx talked about has nothing at all to do with what the soviet union and cuba twisted it into. that just replaced oppression with oppression. One could say that there has never been a real example of socialism or communism on this planet to date in witch to compare. Marx was about ending the economic domination witch has reared it's ugly head once more to oppress all but few well-offs. The freedom we talk so highly about in this country is not accessible to those who can't afford it.Take a look at our justice system for example. Got money, get lawyer/ No money go to jail. What originally inspired Marx was when he went to Manchester UK an saw 9yr old kids dying in coal mines and factories because there parents (good capitalists) couldn't afford to feed them most of the time. The robber barrons of that time have returned in full glory in the past decade. As in the past, there greed will stop at nothing until the have everything there piggish hands can stuff into there already full pockets. And what most "so-called" Americans don't want to accept is that it is the very socialism the say they despise that has been built there highways, educated there children and them selves, privided healthcare to elderly people, delivered there mail, and other wise raised there wages to the point to where they have a chance to better them selves. Anyway thanx for the wallpaper.
JA! I have to say that I am a quite surprised about the repercutions of my upload. I can read very interesting comments, and Im glad, becausethis topic of discussion could be argued in here. In order to response the acusations, I have to say that I have nothing to do with Stalin, in fact, I think that he and he's people had a very wrong interpretation of what socialsm is (and, in general, every east european "real socialism" experiences had). Sadly, I think that many writers that condemned the comunism icon DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE IDEA of what they talking about, but they just playing the record that somebody put in their heads. ¿Does anyone in US read "The Capital" of Marx in highschool? He's arguments were magnifiscents and he did a great contribution to philosofic and economic theory (but he dint say a word about real socialism) and that is a fact, no mather what can anyone can say. So, dear US dudes, please read before you put acusations on anyone. If I should have to make an apologyze, come to my mind disasters like the goverments of Slovakia or other easter ex russian dependent goverments did, encouraging opression and limiting civil rights without any social compensation. They were in general evil and they didnt understood a word of what Marx said. So, I can understand that that people be angry with me or be affected by this upload in someway. Supporting some comment exposed previously, I think that Bush is the greatest fucker in this world, and I think that he is much more similar to Hitler than other powerful and questionable persons in the present or in the past. Finally, (I have to go back to work) I must say that this upload was more in direction of an ironic "jocking spirit" upload than an direct ideological one. The revolution of what linux represents is a very interesting movement, but have nothing to do with socialism conceptually speaking. It might be goodlooking in a screen of someone that had read Marx deeply and use a Linux system, why not? jajaja (remember: ironic joking spirit :P) Nobody is pointing a gun on you and saying "you have to be socialist". Chill out men. ...and download if you like it. Rho ps. some jurks have to make a demmand to their educational systems. ja. ps 2. lamentablemente mi inglés es peor de lo que me gustaría. Creo que el sistema educativo de mi país privilegió enseñarme sobre grandes movimientos intelectuales y sociales más que sobre el idioma del país dominante. Es una de las pocas cosas de las que puedo estar orgulloso, siendo de Argentina. JA.
JA! I have to say that I am a quite surprised about the repercutions of my upload. I can read very interesting comments, and Im glad, becausethis topic of discussion could be argued in here. In order to response the acusations, I have to say that I have nothing to do with Stalin, in fact, I think that he and he's people had a very wrong interpretation of what socialsm is (and, in general, every east european "real socialism" experiences had). Sadly, I think that many writers that condemned the comunism icon DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE IDEA of what they talking about, but they just playing the record that somebody put in their heads. ¿Does anyone in US read "The Capital" of Marx in highschool? He's arguments were magnifiscents and he did a great contribution to philosofic and economic theory (but he dint say a word about real socialism) and that is a fact, no mather what can anyone can say. So, dear US dudes, please read before you put acusations on anyone. If I should have to make an apologyze, come to my mind disasters like the goverments of Slovakia or other easter ex russian dependent goverments did, encouraging opression and limiting civil rights without any social compensation. They were in general evil and they didnt understood a word of what Marx said. So, I can understand that that people be angry with me or be affected by this upload in someway. Supporting some comment exposed previously, I think that Bush is the greatest fucker in this world, and I think that he is much more similar to Hitler than other powerful and questionable persons in the present or in the past. Finally, (I have to go back to work) I must say that this upload was more in direction of an ironic "jocking spirit" upload than an direct ideological one. The revolution of what linux represents is a very interesting movement, but have nothing to do with socialism conceptually speaking. It might be goodlooking in a screen of someone that had read Marx deeply and use a Linux system, why not? jajaja (remember: ironic joking spirit :P) Nobody is pointing a gun on you and saying "you have to be socialist". Chill out men. ...and download if you like it. Rho ps. some jurks have to make a demmand to their educational systems. ja. ps 2. lamentablemente mi inglés es peor de lo que me gustaría. Creo que el sistema educativo de mi país privilegió enseñarme sobre grandes movimientos intelectuales y sociales más que sobre el idioma del país dominante. Es una de las pocas cosas de las que puedo estar orgulloso, siendo de Argentina. JA.
Hmmm bad memories.OK for you, who have not...
If a nazi swastika would appear on this site, it would be banned. Then I think this should be banned too, it's just a nonsense and it's offensive for lots of people that have been oppressed and killed, and still are, by communist regimes.
Apparently not: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nazi+wallpaper+HD?content=109946 But I note with a certain amount of pride that the nazi wallpaper is being voted downward into oblivion just like this one is. I'm glad to see these symbols of oppressive totalitarian regimes treated with the contempt that they deserve. As an aside, I think that censorship is the wrong approach. I think that the solution to speech that we don't like is more free speech. We can shout them down.
hey, what do you say about nation's history? it's our past so there is no way to change it or make it undone. just remember 40th years of your country's history and especially Mussolini. and would it be pleasant to you if everybody notice you about you? так что Советский Союз не трожьте.
you don't get it. If somebody posted a screen with linux and a symbol of fascism I would be offended too. Linux has nothing to do with regimes of any kind.
I take that back. It looks like they did delete the nazi wallpaper. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nazi+wallpaper+HD?content=109946 Nothing there now.
I don't mean to insult the Russian people. I like the Russians that I've met & I like the Russian literature that I've read. I just think that totalitarian political systems like fascism or communism can bring out the worst in any people. Also, I don't think that this wallpaper has much to do with history. The 'viva la revolucion' tagline & the hammer & sickle coupled with a linux logo seem to be looking toward the future rather than the past. But hey, this site is supposed to be about artwork, not politics. By the way, I like backround image you uploaded. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/An+early+morning?content=76842 Nice photo. I've voted it up.
What a bullshit... Communism is a political direction. Fascism is a crime. The fact that Stalin, Honnecker, Ceaucescu used communism as an alibi for saving their dictatorship is another thing. Communism for itself and as a political and democratical direction is nothing wrong. Nobody has banned US-flags (much worse: the confederations-flag)and a lot of Indians, Afro-Americans (communists in 50's & 60's, too) and other people without european-roots were choked or killed by that "good" people.
Communism goes against human nature in every single aspect, even theory. Communism is what it has been, because it couldn't have been different, because it's wrong. Just like fascism. Saying that Stalin and Lenin & Castro & Mao etc. were doing a different thing than communism, well, THIS is bullshit.
Unbelievable how bad your political education is. First: Nothing is as bad as facism. No communism, no capitalism, no mix between both. Second: There's still a difference between a dictatorship and Marx' democratic ideal of communism. In education (and in health care, too) you could learn a lot from Cuba.When I'm following your argumentation, I can say: Stone Mountain Parties, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Chile had showed how much better and humane capitalism is...
Sorry, but you don't know what you are saying. Castro persecuting gay people is just one thing. Democratic? What is democratic in forbidding internet access to all the population, and not letting anybody go out of the country? And Mao destroying the Tibet, and so on. Is more human than capitalism? Then think that me and you couldn't be talking like this if we were in China or Cuba or Cambodia or wherever communism is and was. It's just like fascism.
Once again you wrote no answer. And you really don't know what you are talking about. I could write 1000 times that there's a difference between dictatorships an political philosophy (a bigger part of my studies). And the most funniest thing: China? Communism? Must be a joke, they are following a turbo-capitalism mixed with a dictatorship. Got nothing to do with communism. MArx' communism is for people - not for elite. Maybe the countries of your example call themselves communistic but if there are rich and poor people it isn't like that. Then it's just a dictatorship, a cheat. GDR called itself "democratic" (what wasn't true, just like china isn't communistic. It's a cheat): Is democracy bad, too, only because they called their country democratic? Let's make a deal: You will read Marx' Capital or the communstic manifest and I will read a book of an anti-communist of your choice. Then we can discuss once again. And, please, don't make fascism same as any other thing. The nazis were singular bad. 6 Million jews, millions of german communists and socialdemocrats, gays, gypsies - they all died in the camps. 55 Million dead people - that isn't toppable and the worst thing ever exists.
I know what I'm talking about, maybe better than you do, and if you really want to know, I'm graduated in philosophy, and I know what Marx is talking about (shall I suggest you to read something by Max Stirner instead?). And I think that Marx should have been taking more care of what human nature is, because what he said goes totally against it (some other suggestions for reading: Nietzsche, Feyerabend), and lead to such abominations as USSR, China or Cuba, that actually ARE examples of what communism IS and what communism can NEVER be because of its lack of understanding of human nature. And please do not think that fascism does not have its philosophy (read Benedetto Croce), and that it was just a dictatorship, cause it was not. And how many people did communist regimes kill in history? 55 millions? Maybe more, consider Cambodia, Tibet, Stalin camps, Noth Korea and so on. That said, consider also that I'm a left wing guy that just can't stand no more hearing left wing people saying how good communism is and saying the same things said 60 years ago by someone else and never thinking with their own minds about something new.
Ups I made a mistake, didn't mean Benedetto Croce but Giovanni Gentile instead, sorry..
...then just why does this wallpaper have a look that reminds me of the oppressive, thankfully-now-defunct USSR?
Another bloody SU wallpaper.