Description: This is a kind of program which i think is missing in kde. You can easyli see which programs you have already installed and which you would like to install.
You can search for programs also in different categorys and so on. I think that this would make kde and linux much more easyer to handle.
I know there is a similiar program called kpackage but it's really bad. (my opinion) :-)
Thanx guys & girls! ByeLast changelog:
Many people have already asked me if they can download anywhere this app.
This is just an idea of a program which I think is needed. Maybe i will soon put a description on how the program should work.
Thanks to all who voted for this application because this proofs that something like this is missing.
THANX!!!
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Pardus has something like this already; it is called PİSİ and there you can look for programs which are installed by category, you can lookup programs you haven't installed yet plus you can look for any updates for your system. i love PARDUS...
I've alrady installed Synaptic and Kynaptic (QT version of Synaptic), used KPackage but...... PCC-KDE is much better... Thanx by bringing us a so brilliant app...
If you dont like kpackage, try Synaptic. It is not qt but is very good and ships with most distros now. It makes installation and un-installation very easy. I will say, on Kpackage's behalf, it works just fine for me and has the same functionality that you described as lacking.
Your idea overall is a good ont, but I would make the install/de-install buttons consistent from panel to panel. Having them go one way and then the other would get very confusing.
Hey there is already a program like this! It's kpackage! See http://www.general.uwa.edu.au/u/toivo/kpackage/
I think it's great and, if you are interested, you can send your screenshot to developers and/or help them to improve the gui and usability of this program.
I like this idea. Looks intuitive
Just two thoughts:
- I think the left panel can be improved by using a "Qtoolbox". ie. it only shows the "Program Manager" expanded, and the "Search for programs" is displayed at the bottom. When you click on the "Search for programs" bar it scrolls up to the "Program manager" bar. Only one panel is fully visible. I hope I explained the widget right.
- One other question: do you have an solution to display a "detail" list in case a user finds many programs? The way YaST does this springs to my mind.
I like it and think its a great idea. It looks much more intuitive and user friendly than anything else out there. And, it could be plug-in based to handle different package managers (portage, debian, rpm, bsd ports, etc.)
i don't think that it's kde's job to keep track of the software that is installed. besides the problems that you'd have to face because of different package management systems (.deb, .rpm, .tgz, ... and mixtures of those), it wouldn't make too much sense to build an application that only shows you what kde software is installed (because it largely depends on non-kde software). if you want to see what software in general is installed, simply use the tools your distribution provides. mostly they split all the packages up into different categories, so you get exactely what you're asking for here.
maybe i don't get it, but as i see it, there is no need for yet another package management program for kde. or are you simply complaining about kpackage? what is it that you don't like about it?
First, I just want to say I think this is a great idea. I would love to have one interface to view all programs on my system instead of having to use apt, rpm, alien, pkg_add depending on the package type. Ideas like this are what I feel Linux needs to start making a dent in the general (mom & dad) desktop market.
One think I would like to see is a way to group related packages together but I'm not sure if this is a distribution change or something this program could do. Why not say that when you install X, some basic apps like xterm, fonts, X common libraries, etc., you just see a program called X. Then, if you clicked on it you would see all of its sub-packages. Common libraries that many applications use could be grouped as system or general libraries. I think this would also make it easier to install new programs. I'm not sure about other people but I really don't care about the dependencies (especially libraries) that most applications use, as long as they work.
I'm not sure how I can help this project but I'll try to help PerpetualBurn with some UML diagrams. One other thing, there should be a small applet for GNOME & KDE such as the RedHat up-to-date program which pops up when new updates are available. I'm not entirely sure how but the two programs should be tied together somehow.
In my point of view, Program Control Center, as is, is just a beautiful copy of M$ add/remove programs. But I feel it could have a REALLY killing feature that technically needs just a couple of things. The killing feature would be to have screenshots of all programs that can have them. An explanation of the program plus 4 or 5 pictures of the program would be fantastic in order to help people choose what they install on their computer. What would we need? Two things. a) A way to detect whether a package is/contains a screenshotable program. b) A repository someplace to download the screenshot from (at least until screenshots make their way into rpms/debs).
I would be really interested in helping develop this app because I think it would merge a lot of ideas in the various package managers and encourages cross-compatibility amongst the different package systems.
I will see if I can put some time into UML diagrams at some point to assist you though I am very busy. Maybe I can set up a mailing list for those interested in working on this app as well. While I am not experienced with QT (or GTK, never written an app for any linux desktop), I am a passionate and very design-oriented developer.
One thing I think should be noted is that this is an application that needs to be treated as an improvement of all the previous package management apps and therefore make it a priority to use the systems that are already available. For example, the developers from kPackage could be asked for help in terms of their API for the various package types, while synaptic provides some great GUI experience that could be used as a starting point for solving the problems this app would pose.
Sorry for the long message, but wanted to share my thoughts.
Hi,
Your mockup looks nice, but KDE already has an aplication that can show wich packages you have installed, and which packages are available: kpackage.
Rinse
Actually, it does that already (with gentoo packages :)
But automatich downloading of source files and compiling them only works with a source framework like gentoo's, so you need more then just an kde-application with information about your installation
I'd say, if you like sources, go with gentoo :)
This is something completely different: kpackage shows to much packages, for a noob you're not looking for packages, but for programs, let there please be a POSSIBILITY (and of course anther possibility for the ones who don't like the idea at all) for someone just to look what programs are installed, instead of all the packages, it's one chaos right now. Now you have to go to a biiiiiiig list to see what's installed and what's not. All the other things like dependent/redundant packages should be done automaticaly, without to much hassle. It's just something linux misses, and this idea is great, but I think it should just be a gui to unite for example autopackage, portage, apt, these three can co-exist on one system (I think), since they all serve a different meaning.
Looks like a job that is impossible to perform.
kpackage already combines portage, rpm, deb and all others in one GUI.
It even works as a frontend for gentoo's emerge, or debian's APT :)
But a lot of packages will always be visible, unless you setup a completely new package system.
For instance, how would the package system know what an application is and what a set of libraries if the packager did not include somekind of information that informs about this difference?
While every package management system doesn't necessarily have the information it would provide new users a simpler way to find things if we could do this with the package management systems that do. Discluding this type of categorization for package repositories without this support should hopefully not add too much complexity.
There are also many other ways this type of idea could be designed even if it means just having a lookup of "suggested applications" that match the different packages.
While I have switched to linux completely now and have become pretty familiar, I still find the search for GOOD software amongst the tons of open source choices daunting so even slimming it down a little bit would help in my opinion, especially for newbies who need to begin with the more mature stable applications.
Also, I've seen countless people scared away from linux because of lack of suggestions of good software to start with (ie. someone who doesn't know about amarok may run some alpha program that is in testing and believe that is par for linux applications).
I think it would be worth finding a way to do despite the complications.
Can you make a mockup with other programs as well as Kopete? I could stare at it for days.
By the way, can we have a category called "Mockups", so I don't have to waist bandwidth on non-existent and even less usable project pages on both kde-apps.org and kde-look.org?
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Pardus has something like this already; it is called PİSİ and there you can look for programs which are installed by category, you can lookup programs you haven't installed yet plus you can look for any updates for your system. i love PARDUS...
I've alrady installed Synaptic and Kynaptic (QT version of Synaptic), used KPackage but...... PCC-KDE is much better... Thanx by bringing us a so brilliant app...
If you dont like kpackage, try Synaptic. It is not qt but is very good and ships with most distros now. It makes installation and un-installation very easy. I will say, on Kpackage's behalf, it works just fine for me and has the same functionality that you described as lacking.
Your idea overall is a good ont, but I would make the install/de-install buttons consistent from panel to panel. Having them go one way and then the other would get very confusing.
where can i download this program? if i click on the download link, i see the screenshot
Hey there is already a program like this! It's kpackage! See http://www.general.uwa.edu.au/u/toivo/kpackage/ I think it's great and, if you are interested, you can send your screenshot to developers and/or help them to improve the gui and usability of this program.
I´d like to try this but the download link just sends me to a screenshot, where can I download this from.
I like this idea. Looks intuitive Just two thoughts: - I think the left panel can be improved by using a "Qtoolbox". ie. it only shows the "Program Manager" expanded, and the "Search for programs" is displayed at the bottom. When you click on the "Search for programs" bar it scrolls up to the "Program manager" bar. Only one panel is fully visible. I hope I explained the widget right. - One other question: do you have an solution to display a "detail" list in case a user finds many programs? The way YaST does this springs to my mind.
I like it and think its a great idea. It looks much more intuitive and user friendly than anything else out there. And, it could be plug-in based to handle different package managers (portage, debian, rpm, bsd ports, etc.)
i don't think that it's kde's job to keep track of the software that is installed. besides the problems that you'd have to face because of different package management systems (.deb, .rpm, .tgz, ... and mixtures of those), it wouldn't make too much sense to build an application that only shows you what kde software is installed (because it largely depends on non-kde software). if you want to see what software in general is installed, simply use the tools your distribution provides. mostly they split all the packages up into different categories, so you get exactely what you're asking for here.
maybe i don't get it, but as i see it, there is no need for yet another package management program for kde. or are you simply complaining about kpackage? what is it that you don't like about it?
Hi, Could someone tell me the link to download :)
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First, I just want to say I think this is a great idea. I would love to have one interface to view all programs on my system instead of having to use apt, rpm, alien, pkg_add depending on the package type. Ideas like this are what I feel Linux needs to start making a dent in the general (mom & dad) desktop market.
One think I would like to see is a way to group related packages together but I'm not sure if this is a distribution change or something this program could do. Why not say that when you install X, some basic apps like xterm, fonts, X common libraries, etc., you just see a program called X. Then, if you clicked on it you would see all of its sub-packages. Common libraries that many applications use could be grouped as system or general libraries. I think this would also make it easier to install new programs. I'm not sure about other people but I really don't care about the dependencies (especially libraries) that most applications use, as long as they work.
I'm not sure how I can help this project but I'll try to help PerpetualBurn with some UML diagrams. One other thing, there should be a small applet for GNOME & KDE such as the RedHat up-to-date program which pops up when new updates are available. I'm not entirely sure how but the two programs should be tied together somehow.
In my point of view, Program Control Center, as is, is just a beautiful copy of M$ add/remove programs. But I feel it could have a REALLY killing feature that technically needs just a couple of things. The killing feature would be to have screenshots of all programs that can have them. An explanation of the program plus 4 or 5 pictures of the program would be fantastic in order to help people choose what they install on their computer. What would we need? Two things. a) A way to detect whether a package is/contains a screenshotable program. b) A repository someplace to download the screenshot from (at least until screenshots make their way into rpms/debs).
I would be really interested in helping develop this app because I think it would merge a lot of ideas in the various package managers and encourages cross-compatibility amongst the different package systems. I will see if I can put some time into UML diagrams at some point to assist you though I am very busy. Maybe I can set up a mailing list for those interested in working on this app as well. While I am not experienced with QT (or GTK, never written an app for any linux desktop), I am a passionate and very design-oriented developer. One thing I think should be noted is that this is an application that needs to be treated as an improvement of all the previous package management apps and therefore make it a priority to use the systems that are already available. For example, the developers from kPackage could be asked for help in terms of their API for the various package types, while synaptic provides some great GUI experience that could be used as a starting point for solving the problems this app would pose. Sorry for the long message, but wanted to share my thoughts.
KPackage is good, but I see it more as a download package manager. It's potentially a great program, but a lot of it needs clearing up.
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Hi, Your mockup looks nice, but KDE already has an aplication that can show wich packages you have installed, and which packages are available: kpackage. Rinse
It does not downloads the source files and compiles them :) yet
Actually, it does that already (with gentoo packages :) But automatich downloading of source files and compiling them only works with a source framework like gentoo's, so you need more then just an kde-application with information about your installation I'd say, if you like sources, go with gentoo :)
This is something completely different: kpackage shows to much packages, for a noob you're not looking for packages, but for programs, let there please be a POSSIBILITY (and of course anther possibility for the ones who don't like the idea at all) for someone just to look what programs are installed, instead of all the packages, it's one chaos right now. Now you have to go to a biiiiiiig list to see what's installed and what's not. All the other things like dependent/redundant packages should be done automaticaly, without to much hassle. It's just something linux misses, and this idea is great, but I think it should just be a gui to unite for example autopackage, portage, apt, these three can co-exist on one system (I think), since they all serve a different meaning.
Looks like a job that is impossible to perform. kpackage already combines portage, rpm, deb and all others in one GUI. It even works as a frontend for gentoo's emerge, or debian's APT :) But a lot of packages will always be visible, unless you setup a completely new package system. For instance, how would the package system know what an application is and what a set of libraries if the packager did not include somekind of information that informs about this difference?
While every package management system doesn't necessarily have the information it would provide new users a simpler way to find things if we could do this with the package management systems that do. Discluding this type of categorization for package repositories without this support should hopefully not add too much complexity. There are also many other ways this type of idea could be designed even if it means just having a lookup of "suggested applications" that match the different packages. While I have switched to linux completely now and have become pretty familiar, I still find the search for GOOD software amongst the tons of open source choices daunting so even slimming it down a little bit would help in my opinion, especially for newbies who need to begin with the more mature stable applications. Also, I've seen countless people scared away from linux because of lack of suggestions of good software to start with (ie. someone who doesn't know about amarok may run some alpha program that is in testing and believe that is par for linux applications). I think it would be worth finding a way to do despite the complications.
Can you make a mockup with other programs as well as Kopete? I could stare at it for days. By the way, can we have a category called "Mockups", so I don't have to waist bandwidth on non-existent and even less usable project pages on both kde-apps.org and kde-look.org?
When I click on the download link it takes me to a screenshot. Can someone give me a link to the actual tar.gz/rpm ?